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Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 02-05-2007 05:20 PM I recieved this as a foward email , I believe every person should read this. And please, read every line. This is a woman who should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize: > Nobel Prize Is Sought for Polish Heroine > BY ALEX STOROZYNSKI - Special to the Sun > January 29, 2007 > A class project by four high-school girls from > Kansas has spurred a > grassroots movement to nominate for a Nobel Peace > Prize a woman who > rescued 2,500 Jewish children from the Nazis - a > move endorsed last week > by the deputy prime minister of Israel, Shimon > Peres. > A Polish social worker, Irena Sendler, who turns 97 > next month, > smuggled children out of the Warsaw ghetto and > refused to disclose their > whereabouts even after being tortured. Gestapo > officers crunched her > legs in a vice and smashed her bones with hammers. > Mrs. Sendler stashed the identities of the children > she saved in jars > and buried the jars under an apple tree. Her plan > was to dig up the jars > after the war and reunite the children with their > families. > Mr. Peres has written a letter to President > Kaczynski of Poland saying > he agrees with growing Polish sentiment that Mrs. > Sendler "should be > duly considered for the Nobel Peace Prize." > "This brings me great joy, but on the other hand, > it's a shame that my > liaison officers are not alive. I would not have > been able to do > anything without the crew people around me," Mrs. > Sendler told the Sun > in a telephone interview from the nursing home where > she lives in > Warsaw. > Mrs. Sendler's story was buried when the Soviet > Union imposed communism > on Poland. And even though Mrs. Sendler was honored > in 1965 by Yad > Vashem as one of the righteous who saved Jews, it > took four Protestant > girls from Pittsburg, Kan., to teach Catholic Poland > about the story. > In 1999, three Union High School ninth-graders, > Megan Stewart, > Elizabeth Cambers, and Jessica Shelton, and an > eleventh-grader, Sabrina > Coons, entered a history project after their teacher > Norm Conard showed > them an article about "Schindler's List," which > mentioned others who > rescued Jews from the Nazis. Surprised that Mrs. > Sendler saved twice as > many people as Schindler, the girls researched her > life and wrote a play > called "Life in a Jar." > "Irena Sendler changed my life. As a teacher, she > made me more aware of > the importance of Holocaust education and showing > how one person can > change the world. Through her actions, she gave our > students the passion > to tell her story," Mr. Conard told the Sun. > A social worker in 1939 when the Germans invaded > Poland, Mrs. Sendler > and her friends set up soup kitchens when the Nazis > ordered her agency > to cut off support for impoverished Jews. When the > Gestapo corralled > 450,000 Jews in Warsaw into a cramped ghetto and the > prisoners began > starving to death, Mrs. Sendler obtained a pass to > enter under the guise > of preventing an epidemic of infectious diseases. > Once inside, Mrs. > Sendler told the Jews the Nazis were planning to > murder them and > convinced them to hide their children. > Mrs. Sendler used an ambulance to smuggle children > out of the ghetto in > burlap sacks and coffins. A barking dog on the front > seat would > sometimes drown out the cries of children in the > back who had been > separated from their parents. She received help from > her friends and > Zegota, the Polish Council to Aid the Jews. More > children were smuggled > out in garbage cans, toolboxes, and through a church > on the edge of > ghetto. > In October 1943, Gestapo officers arrested Mrs. > Sendler and tortured > her for three months before she was sentenced to be > shot by firing > squad. But Zegota bribed a Nazi guard who helped her > escape. > After the war, Irena dug up the jars and tracked > down the 2,500 > children to reunite them with their families. While > most of the parents > had been killed, many of the children found > relatives scattered around > Europe. The grown children, such as: Teresa Korner > in Israel; Renata > Zajdman in Montreal; Piotr Zysman Zettinger in > Stockholm, Sweden; Irena > Wojdowska in Szczecin, Poland, and Katarzyna Meloch, > Michal Glowinski, > and Elzbieta Ficowska of Warsaw, Poland, are living > proof of the horrors > of the genocide. > "If someone is drowning, you have to give them your > hand. When the war > started, all of Poland was drowning in a sea of > blood, and those who > were drowning the most were the Jews. And among the > Jews, the worst off > were the children. So I had to give them my hand," > Mrs. Sendler told the > Sun. > Not all Poles had clean hands during the war, and > most were afraid to > risk their lives. The Germans made it a crime to > shelter Jews, and > Christian Poles caught were executed. At a time when > Holocaust deniers > are gaining more attention, the Forum of Polish Jews > has posted a > petition on its Web site: > http://fzp.jewish.org.pl/nobel_eng.html > promoting Mrs. Sendler for the Nobel Peace Prize. > "The survivors and witnesses of the Holocaust are > dying of old age. By > documenting the story of human rights heroes like > Irena Sendler, we can > end the nonsense spread by the Iranian president > that the Nazis did not > murder Jews in concentration camps," Poland's > undersecretary of state, > told the Sun. > Mrs. Sendler seemed surprised about the Iranian > president's denial of > the Holocaust, replying, "That's ridiculous. He > should educate himself. > Either he is not intelligent or has another > intention. He must be saying > this on purpose because there is no way an > intelligent person could not > know this." IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 02-05-2007 05:25 PM whistles [This message has been edited by Saint Aelphaba (edited 02-05-2007).] IP: Logged
Twyzzlyr Member	posted 02-05-2007 10:01 PM quote: Originally posted by Mistress Hibbins: Someone commenting on the Witches' Voice put it quite well: the Neo-Pagan community is like the South--we can't keep the dumbest of us off of television. I completely fell out of my chair at that. As a proud Southern woman, I know just what you mean. IP: Logged
bookwoman27 Member	posted 02-06-2007 11:37 AM quote: Originally posted by Mistress Hibbins: I am not fond of Tyra Banks, so I do not watch her show, and throughout the promotion of that particular episode I kept seeing phrases like "white witches" and "blood ritual," so I rolled my eyes and avoided it. It sounded to me like the portrayal of Neo-Pagan witches was another well-intentioned but misguided parade of harmless lunatics, and the portrayal of Satanism sounded completely off-base. And then, of course, there was the "former witch" author woman, but I cannot blame the producers for wanting to appear "balanced," I suppose.... But, as I said, I did not watch it, so I too would be somewhat interested to hear from someone who did. Tyra bothers me also. The few times I've seen the show, I ended up feeling that she was genuinely trying to get to the heart of some matter, but then fell way short of making an actual point. Anyway, i did think it encouraging at first that she would focus on Neo-Paganism at all, but in the one promo I saw they kept using words like "black magic" and the others you mentioned, yet didn't use terms like Neo-Paganism or Wicca at all. Which seemed somewhat ridiculous if that's really what the show was about. So I wondered if the program itself was less sensational than the ads for it, although I'm sure you are right and probably it was not. [This message has been edited by bookwoman27 (edited 02-06-2007).] IP: Logged
Mistress Hibbins Member	posted 02-06-2007 03:33 PM quote: Originally posted by bookwoman27: Tyra bothers me also. The few times I've seen the show, I ended up feeling that she was genuinely trying to get to the heart of some matter, but then fell way short of making an actual point. The problem seems, to me, to be that she is so absurdly self-centered. She begins to sound as though she is about to say something meaningful, but she always twists every topic around--everything, even if does not remotely apply to her, like obesity--to make it about herself, and just ends up being sickening. You're right, I am very cynical about how that episode turned out. I have yet to see a satisfactory portrayal of Wicca or Neo-Paganism on any program--the History Channel had a few programs that treated Satanism extremely fairly--and I am sure that the Tyra Banks Show was not going to be the first. IP: Logged
MusicalTheatreObsessed Member	posted 02-06-2007 04:24 PM quote: Originally posted by Mistress Hibbins: The problem seems, to me, to be that she is so absurdly self-centered. She begins to sound as though she is about to say something meaningful, but she always twists every topic around--everything, even if does not remotely apply to her, like obesity--to make it about herself, and just ends up being sickening. She has mentioned on many of her shows that she is determined to be the next Oprah. She even gained like 70 lbs in her quest to be her. I absolutely hate Tyra Banks for so many reasons. Usually I don't have such strong negative feelings for anyone, but the things she does... grr! IP: Logged
SoulOverflowing Member	posted 02-06-2007 04:35 PM quote: Originally posted by MusicalTheatreObsessed: She has mentioned on many of her shows that she is determined to be the next Oprah. She even gained like 70 lbs in her quest to be her. I absolutely hate Tyra Banks for so many reasons. Usually I don't have such strong negative feelings for anyone, but the things she does... grr! I really hope that's not why she put on all that weight. Where'd you hear that from? IP: Logged
Mistress Hibbins Member	posted 02-06-2007 04:45 PM Well, she only gained around thirty pounds, and I am sure she did not gain it just because she wants to "be" Oprah. But with regard to Tyra's whole weight debaucle, her response to the criticism surrounding her weight gain made me cringe. Kiss her "fat" ass? The newly found thirty pounds only puts her at around one hundred sixty pounds. That weight on a woman with a statuesque six-foot-or-so frame does not amount to anything close to "fat." Just look at her--she looks thicker, but she is hardly globular. How about quitting the whining and attention-grubbing and leaving the "fat" label for those to whom it actually applies. IP: Logged
bookwoman27 Member	posted 02-06-2007 05:10 PM Yeah, no doubt, Tyra is living in a fantasy world if she thinks weighing 160 pounds at her height makes her fat. On the other hand, by model standards she probably does feel fat, but that still doesn't make me feel sorry for her. Besides, from what I heard, her general message was supposed to be that it was okay to be fat, but then she was so defensive about her own weight she kind of lost all credibility on that end.... IP: Logged
SoulOverflowing Member	posted 02-06-2007 05:14 PM I saw pictures of her and her newly added thirty pounds. I didn't think she looked fat at all, just normal. I'm sure no one wants to put on thirty pounds but hey, it happens. I think she's afraid of being mocked because her whole career has been built on modeling and the idea that thin is beautiful. Now she seems to be very self-conscious and she's backtracking. It's funny how no one really said she was fat. She was the only one who did. IP: Logged
MusicalTheatreObsessed Member	posted 02-06-2007 05:33 PM According to some magazine, I probably shouldn't trust a magazine, she gained like 60 but the producers of Next Top Model told her she couldn't host it if she didn't lose 30 lbs. So maybe her net gain was 30? IP: Logged
The Scarecrow Member	posted 02-06-2007 07:27 PM She went from 148 to 162. She gained 14 pounds. She is now 33 years old, and has been a model since she was 16. I say, she looks great. And deserves a break. quote: Originally posted by SoulOverflowing: I saw pictures of her and her newly added thirty pounds. I didn't think she looked fat at all, just normal. I'm sure no one wants to put on thirty pounds but hey, it happens. I think she's afraid of being mocked because her whole career has been built on modeling and the idea that thin is beautiful. Now she seems to be very self-conscious and she's backtracking. It's funny how no one really said she was fat. She was the only one who did. SoulOverflowing, I would have to disagree with you. I think she seems plenty confident, and is showing no signs of backtracking. She is not the only one who called herself fat. Many, many people did, before she made a statement about her weight gain. Thats all I have to say about that. IP: Logged
MusicalTheatreObsessed Member	posted 02-06-2007 07:32 PM Would I be correct in assuming you are coming back? If so then welcome back. It's great to have you here again. However she claims she fluctuates anywhere from 148 to 162. Meaning her weight isn't constant, it goes up and down all the time. However she gained almost thirty lbs. from 1997 when she was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. One the other hand, yes she deserves a break, and certainly doesn't look fat. [This message has been edited by MusicalTheatreObsessed (edited 02-06-2007).] IP: Logged
The Scarecrow Member	posted 02-06-2007 08:35 PM No. I am not back. But I was annoyed by the conversation at foot, and I felt the need to step in. IP: Logged
Yero the Hero Moderator	posted 02-06-2007 08:42 PM YAY, SCARECROW! Agh! She's gone. That little Will-o'-the-Wisp! IP: Logged
Twyzzlyr Member	posted 02-06-2007 10:00 PM So you never really left. I'd welcome you back, but since you never really left that would be dumb. Therefore welcome back to the Submit Reply button instead! IP: Logged
MusicalTheatreObsessed Member	posted 02-06-2007 10:09 PM quote: Originally posted by Twyzzlyr: So you never really left. I'd welcome you back, but since you never really left that would be dumb. Therefore welcome back to the Submit Reply button instead! Actually you misunderstood. She is definetly gone. The fact that she came back to argue and then left again is completely beside the point. She is definetly not here in anyway whatsoever. IP: Logged
slightlyconfuzzled Member	posted 02-06-2007 10:18 PM Since she's been keeping up with our discussion of Tyra Banks, shes obviously been here. She just hasn't posted anything. IP: Logged
MusicalTheatreObsessed Member	posted 02-06-2007 10:21 PM I know. I wasn't being serious, because it was extremely obvious she has been here. I said the oposite to be... ironic? nah, probably just sarcastic... IP: Logged
slightlyconfuzzled Member	posted 02-06-2007 10:31 PM Okay. Sorry. It's practically impossible for me to read sarcasm. Unless it's completely obvious. IP: Logged
helenbooktrip Moderator	posted 02-07-2007 04:59 PM Twyz, I just need to say this...you crack me up. IP: Logged
LPhiBah Member	posted 02-08-2007 04:01 PM Does anyone have the quote from the Swan Princess when the frog is threatening someone, something to the effect "you hurt her I will kill you." and ends with the line "Fry your back legs in butter"? I have a friend who has a boy who needs to recive this quote. Just as a friendly warning. IP: Logged
Popular_Elphie Member	posted 02-08-2007 06:59 PM Anna Nicole Smith died...how tradgic IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 02-08-2007 07:21 PM I thought I was the only one who didn't really feel remorse about her dying.. Good feelings. But lots of physical pain. IP: Logged
LPhiBah Member	posted 02-08-2007 07:46 PM I really could care less. Way too much attention on someone with such a wasted life. And I am cranky. I didn't get my nap, can ya tell? The good news is I only have half a page more. Yay. IP: Logged
A Blue Diamond Junior Member	posted 02-08-2007 09:37 PM This being my first post, I will probaly not make any friends with my opnion, but I think this needs to be said. Anna Nicole's entire life was tragic. A tragic story with a tragic ending. I, myself, find the story very sad. IP: Logged
OvertheMoonforIM Member	posted 02-08-2007 09:43 PM quote: Originally posted by Saint Aelphaba: I thought I was the only one who didn't really feel remorse about her dying.. Good feelings. But lots of physical pain. I sincerely hope you aren't feeling "good feelings" in regards to the death of Anna Nicole Smith, because if so, that was an extremely insensitive thing for you to say. Just because she may not have been the smartest or most talented or most generous person out there doesn't mean that she doesn't have a family who loves her. I'd be sickened if one of my family members died and all I heard was "I could care less." I may not have liked ANS, and I don't plan on doing anything about it, but I still feel sorry for her and her family, and I don't know what I'd do if I were in her shoes after the year she's had. Edit: This rant could very likely be due to the fact that my dad's sick, and if you didn't mean to apply "good feelings" to ANS's death, ignore it, Saint A. And welcome, A Blue Diamond! I doubt anyone around here's going to not like you for a) stating your opinion or b) having feelings. [This message has been edited by OvertheMoonforIM (edited 02-08-2007).] [This message has been edited by OvertheMoonforIM (edited 02-08-2007).] IP: Logged
Popular_Elphie Member	posted 02-08-2007 10:01 PM Well it isn't like Im singing "Ding dong the pornstars dead" I mean I'm not that mean... I'm sure she will be missed but I just don't care. (I'm cranky too, my bro got hurt last night and we were in the hospital until 4 in the morning and I still had to go to school at 7) EDIT: Welcome Blue Diamond I'm awesome, just to let you know... And on a random note to everyone I got the lead in our musical! GO ME! [This message has been edited by Popular_Elphie (edited 02-08-2007).] IP: Logged
helenbooktrip Moderator	posted 02-08-2007 10:01 PM think its very sad that ANS died. I am not feeling sad or upset or depressed about it, but that doesn't mean it is not a sad thing to happen to someone. i agree with OTM, i feel bad for her family and i wish them the best. [This message has been edited by helenbooktrip (edited 02-08-2007).] IP: Logged
MusicalTheatreObsessed Member	posted 02-08-2007 10:13 PM Random joke that made me laugh What do you get when you cross an insomniac, a dyslexic, and an agnostic? Someone who lies awake all night wondering if there is a dog just typing it i laughed to myself. I should not be told jokes. IP: Logged
Popular_Elphie Member	posted 02-08-2007 10:18 PM I have never heard that one, but lets just say I feel insanely stupid and I didn't get it for like five minutes then I was like dog...GOD oh! lol, I'm like cracking up! IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 02-08-2007 10:24 PM quote: Originally posted by OvertheMoonforIM: I sincerely hope you aren't feeling "good feelings" in regards to the death of Anna Nicole Smith, because if so, that was an extremely insensitive thing for you to say. Just because she may not have been the smartest or most talented or most generous person out there doesn't mean that she doesn't have a family who loves her. I'd be sickened if one of my family members died and all I heard was "I could care less." I may not have liked ANS, and I don't plan on doing anything about it, but I still feel sorry for her and her family, and I don't know what I'd do if I were in her shoes after the year she's had. Edit: This rant could very likely be due to the fact that my dad's sick, and if you didn't mean to apply "good feelings" to ANS's death, ignore it, Saint A. And welcome, A Blue Diamond! I doubt anyone around here's going to not like you for a) stating your opinion or b) having feelings. [This message has been edited by OvertheMoonforIM (edited 02-08-2007).] [This message has been edited by OvertheMoonforIM (edited 02-08-2007).] Nah, my second part of the post had absolutely nothing to do with Anna Nicole Smith. I personally am obstain to the woman's death. I really don't care for her. Yes it's sad that she left her children, but it was her fault, in my opinion. Because she had a very messed up life. Anyyyway. IP: Logged
Twyzzlyr Member	posted 02-08-2007 10:49 PM Well. I figure, I haven't been flamed yet today, so I might as well say this anyway and let the flames begin again. I have the same reaction to Anna Nicole Smith's death as I did to that one guy that played with crocodiles. Did anyone really expect anything different? I sincerely hope that both possible "fathers" meant it when they faught for the title, because he is now that little girl's salvation. Beyond having at least some semblance of worry about that, I really couldn't care less. IP: Logged
elphi bah Member	posted 02-09-2007 12:17 AM If a really hairy person jumps at a velco wall will he stick? IP: Logged
Twyzzlyr Member	posted 02-09-2007 01:53 AM I'll get a really hairy friend of mine to try and let you know. IP: Logged
Mistress Hibbins Member	posted 02-09-2007 03:34 PM quote: Originally posted by Saint Aelphaba: I personally am obstain to the woman's death. You're what to the woman's death? Anyway, the talk of jokes reminded me of one that I started to tell on another thread but never got to finish. PLEASE BEAR WITH IT. This is not really a prejudicial joke, but when it was first told to me I thought it was very funny: What do you call a black man who flies a plane? If you have heard this before please give it some time--don't ruin it. IP: Logged
OvertheMoonforIM Member	posted 02-09-2007 04:29 PM I love this joke, but I can't remember for the life of me where I heard it first. It wasn't too long ago, either. IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 02-09-2007 05:22 PM quote: Originally posted by Mistress Hibbins: You're what to the woman's death? Anyway, the talk of jokes reminded me of one that I started to tell on another thread but never got to finish. PLEASE BEAR WITH IT. This is not really a prejudicial joke, but when it was first told to me I thought it was very funny: What do you call a black man who flies a plane? If you have heard this before please give it some time--don't ruin it. hides under table Abstain! I meant abstain! runs away from tomatoes Oh and I'm horrible at jokes, so I have no idea! IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 02-09-2007 05:23 PM lifes like an hour glass glued to a table. [This message has been edited by Saint Aelphaba (edited 02-09-2007).] IP: Logged
Mistress Hibbins Member	posted 02-09-2007 05:48 PM You poor dear, you cannot be "abstain to the woman's death." That doesn't make any sense! Abstain is a verb, not an adjective, and it means to deliberately refrain from performing or from taking part in some action or activity. It sounded like you were trying to say something like "I am indifferent to the woman's death" or perhaps "I shall obstain from becoming too involved in discussions concerning the woman's death." Anyway, some other people need to have a go at my joke--otherwise I feel a fool with that seemingly off-color question just hanging there. [This message has been edited by Mistress Hibbins (edited 02-09-2007).] IP: Logged

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