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DyerDrama Junior Member	posted 01-05-2006 05:03 PM AH! one more thing...for nessarose the tour cast that came through dallas had Jenna Leigh Green (she played libby on Sabrina the teenage witch) and she was great...i think she should do it in the film version! IP: Logged
Saint Elphaba Member	posted 01-05-2006 05:07 PM quote: Originally posted by eleka_nahmen: i think it would just be wrong if they made a movie based on the book.. there's a ton of info on this whole ordeal in the grimmerie guys.. Why do you say that? I'm quite intrested in hearing your theory. I can back my own up. I believe it should be based on the book, because the book is much "darker" and gives us a bit more insight as to Elphaba and Fiyero's relationship, Elphaba's son, who is very important. And Doctor Dillamond. Also a bit more about Nessarose, and Shell, we never see him in the musical. Don't get me wrong, a musical verison would be fine, I loved RENT; but I just don't believe it would have enough depth. What are your thoughts? IP: Logged
eleka_nahmen Member	posted 01-05-2006 05:25 PM Saint Elphaba: well i agree with schwartz that something would just be missing from the story if it wasn't a musical. the other characters from the book, such as Liir, didn't do anything for me. i actually prefer the storyline of the musical more. i also relate better to musicals, even though i love reading. yes, the book gives more insight to the elphaba/fiyero relationship, but i think maguire went a little over the top with that, but once again, that's personal opinion. IP: Logged
Saint Elphaba Member	posted 01-05-2006 05:35 PM Because I love to debate. (okay, honestly, who doesn't around here? Malky. Vim.... nudge.) I am not going to agree with you about that. (though I loved the musical so dearly.) I believe that he didn't go over the top. I read part of Mirror Mirror. Here is thee first sentence to the third chapter: "Primvera Vehia (I'm not sure if thats her last name spelled correctly.) once had sex with a squid..." That, to me is a bit over the top. That is the way he writes. Sometimes quite blunt, like with the philopsohy club. Sometimes he just wants to keep us guessing, like with Liir and ELphaba's relationship as son and mother. I do think the movie should be based on the book, but I do agree that Shwartz was right. There was magic missing, that only a musical could captre. But, now that the musical has been laid out, so to speak. And if a movie is made, what plot would you prefer? a bit more in depth, or missing depth? I stick by my own opinon. A movie version of the book. IP: Logged
I Couldn't Be Happier Member	posted 01-05-2006 07:30 PM I say we keep debating this topic until we reach page 10. IP: Logged
Saint Elphaba Member	posted 01-05-2006 07:59 PM Me too. But I would like to hear Eleka_nahamn's veiw.. IP: Logged
natuxatu2 Member	posted 01-06-2006 12:57 AM If they did make a movie version which i hope they do i don't think it will follow either the book or the musical but something in between. They could add more of the book and by doing so I think it would be better than the musical out there and well as good as most book turn movies are these days like harry potter and narnia. I think the big difference would they would need to write new songs to make way for the changes and additions to the movie. IP: Logged
Miss Galinda Member	posted 01-06-2006 01:16 AM i am just rtying to imagine costumes and sets IP: Logged
I Couldn't Be Happier Member	posted 01-06-2006 07:10 AM When the movie is made, the special effects and costomes will be awesome. I mean look at what they have done with King Kong, Star Wars, Titianic, etc. From a financial point of view, the musical can segway into a film version very easily and it's the one that will pull in the most money. As so many of us have said, most people know the musical or have heard of the musical. That's what they expect to see if Wicked goes to the big screen. It's going to happen, they have made most musicals into movies. There are rumors the Contact and Urinetown are next. If it can be made within the next 4 years, I don't see any problems with getting Idina Menzel. The rest of the OBC? I don't know. This is where they will need a director committed to the intergrity of the movie as Chris Colombus was for RENT. Since all of them had so much fun with the project and each other, if they are free, I have no doubt they'll want to work together. IP: Logged
loveandhategalinda Member	posted 01-06-2006 11:15 AM Glinda :: Kristen Chenoweth (she is popular in holly wood ex. music man, bewitched!!) Elphaba :: Demi Moore [with Idina's singing voice(if it is a musical)] The Wizard :: Joel Grey (no exceptions!) Mdme Morrible :: Bette Midler ALSO !! (she's perfect) Fiyero :: Hugh Jackman Nessa :: Jenne Leigh Green Boq :: i don't know but not that leonardo guy he's too ugly boq had to be a little cute... IP: Logged
eleka_nahmen Member	posted 01-06-2006 04:34 PM oo i'm not a good debater!! that's why i'm not in model u.n lol anwayz... i really don't know how to explain how i feel about the book. some parts i loved, others i felt weren't necessary, or i just didn't like. (i don't own a copy and read it monthes ago, so therefore i don't remember specific examples) there are certain things that i like guessing about, but i feel that maguire leaves a little TOO much to guesse at. i like some things a little more laid out, which makes a large impact on how i interperted the book. for one, i hated the ending. the whole "glinda awoke and knew something was wrong" really bothered me for some reason, that i can't name. i'm sorry for my vaugeness, but i really can't figure out how to put into words what i don't like about the book, which makes me love the musical just so much more. one thing i like about the musical more, is that Fiyero becomes the scarecrow and Boq the tinman. i didn't like Fiyero dying, or Boq just marrying some random munchkin. if i can think of any more examples to try and help you understand my point of view, i will DEFIANTLY post them asap! IP: Logged
Saint Elphaba Member	posted 01-06-2006 04:42 PM quote: Originally posted by eleka_nahmen: oo i'm not a good debater!! that's why i'm not in model u.n lol anwayz... i really don't know how to explain how i feel about the book. some parts i loved, others i felt weren't necessary, or i just didn't like. (i don't own a copy and read it monthes ago, so therefore i don't remember specific examples) there are certain things that i like guessing about, but i feel that maguire leaves a little TOO much to guesse at. i like some things a little more laid out, which makes a large impact on how i interperted the book. for one, i hated the ending. the whole "glinda awoke and knew something was wrong" really bothered me for some reason, that i can't name. i'm sorry for my vaugeness, but i really can't figure out how to put into words what i don't like about the book, which makes me love the musical just so much more. one thing i like about the musical more, is that Fiyero becomes the scarecrow and Boq the tinman. i didn't like Fiyero dying, or Boq just marrying some random munchkin. if i can think of any more examples to try and help you understand my point of view, i will DEFIANTLY post them asap! I do agree with you about Boq and Fiyero. we THINK that he becomes the scarecrow towards the end, becuause towards the end, you start thinking like Elphaba. I think Boq, might have been the tin man anyway, if Maguire hadn't followed a bit more in Baums books. And he married some "random munchkin" (who was Milla, and wasn't so random and not a munchkin for your information ) Because I assume that he was married in Baum's book, or they needed another reason for something. I don't agree with you about Glinda. I believe that she should have had some insight at the end. I don't think Elphaba should have died, no one does. As for Fiyero dying, that tore me to peices. I HATED that. It made me very sad. But Elphaba HAD to get to the Vinkus, with or without Fiyero. And as it was not likly that Elphaba herself would choose to go back with Fiyero, you had have Fiyero leave. The way he left was sad. I guess thats all for now.. IP: Logged
Bik Member	posted 01-06-2006 08:47 PM I really wouldn't mind to see it as a movie, the musical, I mean. They just couldn't make a good enough movie for the book. And, yes, Kristin Chenoweth must play Galinda. My only fear is that the snobbish rich girls who really are popular, will go around in pink "Popular" shirts singing it. that would ruin it for me. IP: Logged
natuxatu2 Member	posted 01-06-2006 11:36 PM When I see Wicked as a movie I see Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, colorful but still dark. Still I think they would need to change some songs for a movie version. I don't think it should open with "no one mourns the wicked would work in the movie as i'm sure they'd explain a little more before arriving in shiz. Which could bring up the topic. What songs or topics would you like to see added or which ones taken out? IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 01-06-2006 11:44 PM Ohhh! This I can answer! Hm, I think No one Mourns, should be removed, because unlike a musical, you can add stuff from the book, and use the backstory, make it more intresting. Popular, dancing through life, the Wizard and I, what is this feeling, all keep. Great "Shiz" songs. but shortened, or lengthened... or changed somehow I'm not girl, a great song, but not really useful. One short day - well YES! of course keep it. I am a sentimental man should be longer, and add in "Wonderful" when they meet him. Defying Gravity, I think should be "toned down." Don't look at me as if I'm crazy. Its a movie rememer. There aren't "intermissions" in movies. Thank goodness, no. I think that needs to be changed. I think they shouldn't have the "Glinda/Fiyero" supposed relationship. Too confusing for book readers who have not seen the musical... but I think it should somehow be kept. Wicked Witch of the East, should be moved foward, to after "as long as your mine" supposedly is. But "as long as your mine", comes AFTER "thank goodness" than comes Wicked Witch of the East, with Elphaba visting Nessarose. Then No good deed" than nessarose will die. THAN, "for good" then the witch hunting song, when the witches come to get Elphie, Glinda is there, and she hides. Dorothy is there, water gets thrown on her. She melts, Fiyero IS the scarecrow. additions: "follow the yellow brick road" "if i only had a brain" [This message has been edited by Saint Aelphaba (edited 01-06-2006).] IP: Logged
I Couldn't Be Happier Member	posted 01-07-2006 01:59 AM I like the order as is. They will probably cut a few songs and add one like they did for Phantom and Rent. I'm not a big fan of either additions, but who knows what will be created for the movie. I think they could cut the songs of the wizard. They aren't really needed. I really like I'm Not That Girl, but I would give it up. I would be devestated if As Long as You're Mine, Wizard and I, Dancing thru Life or No Good Deed were cut. Yet, Popular and Defying Gravity are shoe-ins IP: Logged
eleka_nahmen Member	posted 01-07-2006 11:33 AM i wouldn't want anything cut if a movie was made, which i hope never happens. IP: Logged
ElphabaOfOz Member	posted 01-07-2006 11:56 AM quote: Originally posted by I Couldn't Be Happier: I like the order as is. They will probably cut a few songs and add one like they did for Phantom and Rent. I'm not a big fan of either additions, but who knows what will be created for the movie. They didn't add any songs for Rent. "Love Heals," the only thing you could possibly be talking about, was not created specifically for the movie but rather by Jonathan Larson years ago for a woman with AIDS. It was included on the CD as a bonus track, but it wasn't used anywhere in the movie. IP: Logged
ElphabaOfOz Member	posted 01-07-2006 11:57 AM quote: Originally posted by ElphabaOfOz: They didn't add any songs for Rent. "Love Heals," the only thing you could possibly be talking about, was not created specifically for the movie but rather by Jonathan Larson years ago for a woman with AIDS. It was included on the CD as a bonus track, but it wasn't used anywhere in the movie. Whoo! That ^_^ was my five-hundredth post! Saint A, only seven hundred left to go! IP: Logged
I Couldn't Be Happier Member	posted 01-07-2006 11:58 AM That's true I was referring to Love Heals, and Learn to be Lonely wasn't actually in the Phantom movie, only on the CD. I guess I was using the soundtrack and the movie as interchangeable. I didn't mean to confuse anyone. IP: Logged
ElphabaOfOz Member	posted 01-07-2006 12:05 PM quote: Originally posted by I Couldn't Be Happier: That's true I was referring to Love Heals, and Learn to be Lonely wasn't actually in the Phantom movie, only on the CD. I guess I was using the soundtrack and the movie as interchangeable. I didn't mean to confuse anyone. Just out of curiousity, I never saw Phantom, was Learn to be Lonely written specifically for the movie? WhoO! 300th post on this thread! IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 01-07-2006 01:31 PM Go EoO!! IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 01-07-2006 01:32 PM Wait 300 times?! Wow thats alot... [This message has been edited by Saint Aelphaba (edited 01-07-2006).] IP: Logged
Journaler Member	posted 01-07-2006 02:45 PM Yes. Phantom's "Learn to be Lonely" is movie-specific and very different from all other songs in the show. quote: Originally posted by Saint Aelphaba: Ohhh! This I can answer! Hm, I think No one Mourns, should be removed, because unlike a musical, you can add stuff from the book, and use the backstory, make it more intresting. Popular, dancing through life, the Wizard and I, what is this feeling, all keep. Great "Shiz" songs. but shortened, or lengthened... or changed somehow I'm not girl, a great song, but not really useful. One short day - well YES! of course keep it. I am a sentimental man should be longer, and add in "Wonderful" when they meet him. Defying Gravity, I think should be "toned down." Don't look at me as if I'm crazy. Its a movie rememer. There aren't "intermissions" in movies. Thank goodness, no. I think that needs to be changed. I think they shouldn't have the "Glinda/Fiyero" supposed relationship. Too confusing for book readers who have not seen the musical... but I think it should somehow be kept. Wicked Witch of the East, should be moved foward, to after "as long as your mine" supposedly is. But "as long as your mine", comes AFTER "thank goodness" than comes Wicked Witch of the East, with Elphaba visting Nessarose. Then No good deed" than nessarose will die. THAN, "for good" then the witch hunting song, when the witches come to get Elphie, Glinda is there, and she hides. Dorothy is there, water gets thrown on her. She melts, Fiyero IS the scarecrow. additions: "follow the yellow brick road" "if i only had a brain" [This message has been edited by Saint Aelphaba (edited 01-06-2006).] You've put A LOT of thought into this lineup, but I've been wondering: how easily do you think a movie "Wicked" can smoothly integrate elements of the book AND musical? I love them both but have always thought of them as independent of each other. Can they be combined? Which would be given more weight: the musical's unique features or the book's? IP: Logged
ElphabaOfOz Member	posted 01-07-2006 02:50 PM quote: Originally posted by Saint Aelphaba: Wait 300 times?! Wow thats alot... [This message has been edited by Saint Aelphaba (edited 01-07-2006).] I, personally, haven't posted 300 times on this thread; it's just got 300 (now 304) posts. Just clarifying. IP: Logged
cgk_81 Junior Member	posted 01-08-2006 09:53 PM for me the dream cast would have to be: Elphaba- Catherine Zeta Jones Galinda- Reese Witherspoon or Jessica Simpson (at least she can sing) Nessa- Mandy Moore Madame Morrible- Queen Latifah Fiyero- Ewan McGregor Wizard- Joel Gray Boq- Elijah Wood Dr. Dillamond- Jim Broadbent IP: Logged
UnpunishedElphie55 Member	posted 01-08-2006 10:20 PM I protest. I still don't think Wicked would make a good movie. I love it as a musical, and I think making a movie would ruin the charm. Boooooo. IP: Logged
I Couldn't Be Happier Member	posted 01-08-2006 11:13 PM I'm doing waht I can to mkae this topic go to page 10. Seriously, I was watching Grease tonight, and I was thinking how popular this movie version of the show is. Everyone has seen this movie even if they are flipping through channels. I believe a movie version of Wicked would have as much potential. IP: Logged
eleka_nahmen Member	posted 01-09-2006 03:22 PM quote: Originally posted by UnpunishedElphie55: I protest. I still don't think Wicked would make a good movie. I love it as a musical, and I think making a movie would ruin the charm. Boooooo. i'm with you!! BOO AHH IP: Logged
Munchkinland Member	posted 01-09-2006 04:03 PM ICK! THEY SHOULD NOT MAKE A WICKED MOVIE BECAUSE YES IT WOULD RUIN THE CHARM AND IT WILL SEVERLY LIMIT ITS TIME ON BROADWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT HAS TO STAY FOR AT LEAST 8 MORE YEARS!!!! (So I can plany glinda! ) IP: Logged
Acey Member	posted 01-09-2006 04:17 PM Argh! I'm picking no one out but: Blimey, some of these "dream" casts are awful!! I'm just going to throw in my opinion. As ever. Now how ever much i LOVE the book, i think if a film were to be made, it would have to be based on the musical. C'mon, it's based on The Wizard of Oz, THE most famous and influential musical (and film) of all time. Without songs, it wouldn't work on screen, hell, even in the novel Elphaba sings a reprise of "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" Speaking of which, a reprise of said song should be put in Defying Gravity, to help tone it down, and add a bit of contrast. Even if it's just the last line: "And nobody in all of Oz, no Wizard that there is or was is ever gonna bring me down" Change it to. "If happy little bluebirds fly, above the rainbow why, oh why can't i?" It's EXACTLY the same riff anyway, very clever little device used my Schwarts (sp?). IP: Logged
Unlimited Member	posted 01-09-2006 04:39 PM quote: Originally posted by ElphabaOfOz: I, personally, haven't posted 300 times on this thread; it's just got 300 (now 304) posts. Just clarifying. I LOVE the fact that this thread has taken off so. . . but would also love to see filler like this dissapear. Maybe you guys could start a new thread about how many posts you have - and leave the topical posts to . . . well, TOPICS. Stuff like someone saying Leonardo is too ugly to play Boq is MUCH more interesting. 1st of all, I'd love to be that 'ugly' and 2nd: who said Boq was supposed to be cute?!? Isn't there a reason Galinda doesn't give him the time of day, besides the snobbery of breeding? And to those of you who think Tim Burton would be a good director for a potential 'Wicked' movie, he's interested in making 'Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street' a movie. I'm currently in a production of this awesome show in CA, as the Ensemble Bass soloist. My boyfriend is obsessed w/the show and found this link: http://www.star-ecentral.com/movies/buzz/buzz.asp?file=archives/buzz/2006/1/9DeppandBur&date=1/9/2006 IP: Logged
Saint Aelphaba Moderator	posted 01-09-2006 05:18 PM quote: Originally posted by ElphabaOfOz: I, personally, haven't posted 300 times on this thread; it's just got 300 (now 304) posts. Just clarifying. oooh so close !! I'm still the winner! (I love to brag about this! ) I've already stated my opinon... IP: Logged
Unlimited Member	posted 01-09-2006 05:37 PM quote: Originally posted by Saint Aelphaba: oooh so close !! I'm still the winner! (I love to brag about this! ) I've already stated my opinon... yawn IP: Logged
Danny Junior Member	posted 01-10-2006 05:30 PM hi i'm new to all this, so i think tim burton should definetly direct wicked! and i think johnny depp should play fiyero w/ danny elfman dubbing the vocals! for me that would be heaven. for elphie.. idina or stephanie, elijah wood is way to hot for boq. whoever thought mandy moore should be elphie has lost it. and nicole kidman was awesome in moulin rouge, but she doesn't have enough vocal strength. this post is an awesome topic! IP: Logged
DyerDrama Junior Member	posted 01-11-2006 11:48 AM HELLO!!!!!!!! PEOPLE!!!!!!..ok..lets think about this...reese witherspoon can sing...jessica....ok..fine she can "Sing"...but theres NO WAY THEY COULD SING THE PART OF GLINDA!!!...now they arent the only ones that wont, but hello, ok i LOVE reese, i bought the walk the line CD cause she was on it, she is talented but no way could she have the range for the part of Glinda, even on enertainment tonight she said somehting along the lines of "do you know how long it took to record, im not musically talentd, but somehow by the magic of movies..." and jessica simpson, i just saw her LAST night on the Peoples Choice Awards singing These Boots are Made for Walking and she made it look like it hurt...she scuges her forehead and leans back to hit a middle C...haha sorry i dont think so....there were a couple of more that make me gag but when i say ex-mrs lachey on there i HAD to say something.. IP: Logged
Acey Member	posted 01-11-2006 03:31 PM in all reality, whom ever is cast as which ever character doesn't ~have~ to have a huge range, or even have to sing at all. The numbers won't be sung on set wilst filming, they'll be done in a studio, most likely before and then dubbed over or mimed to on set. And nobody will notice the difference. There will be singing doubles or fiddled voices to make the numbers sound right, the casting is all about the character and age range NOT vocal range. IP: Logged
eleka_nahmen Member	posted 01-11-2006 04:08 PM quote: Originally posted by Acey: Speaking of which, a reprise of said song should be put in Defying Gravity, to help tone it down, and add a bit of contrast. Even if it's just the last line: "And nobody in all of Oz, no Wizard that there is or was is ever gonna bring me down" Change it to. "If happy little bluebirds fly, above the rainbow why, oh why can't i?" It's EXACTLY the same riff anyway, very clever little device used my Schwarts (sp?). that's a really good idea. i don't particularly agree with changing the end of the song because its so powerful, but if it were to be changed, that's an awesome ending line. 'bring me down!' vs. 'why can't i?'...very interesting IP: Logged
Popular_Elphie Member	posted 01-12-2006 06:00 PM Hmmmmmmm...If wicked was made into a movie it would lose its value (I have matured since my last post ) but take rent for example the show is still running! and there is a movie out (even though it took ten years to come out) so im teetering on this now... IP: Logged
Munchkinland Member	posted 01-12-2006 07:01 PM wait 10 years and see how its doing IP: Logged

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