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maggam
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posted 01-02-2007 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maggam   Click Here to Email maggam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummm...of the four that I mentioned...two of them were filmed and released while the broadway productions were still going strong...and ARE still enjoying immense success...

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booklady
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The live productions were & are very successful, but the movies were not. Why would Universal risk a consistantly selling out live production for a might do well, but might not do well movie? The studio executives will look at all of these factors & it all comes back to what will make the most money & which names will help make the most money. In addition, don't count on Wicked, the Musical being able to draw in fans of Oz. There are huge numbers of Oz fans who HATE the ending of the musical. One of the timeless themes of Oz is that the Wicked Witch is punished & that doesn't exactly happen in the musical. Other than as a plot device for "The Producers", movie making/theatre production is a business to make money & none of the recent movie musicals have been huge box office successes with the exception of Chicago & now Dreamgirls, neither of which used the OBC. Am I the only one that sees a pattern here? The biggest thing that can help a Wicked movie is if Hairspray is a huge success, but once again, Hairspray does not star theatre people, it stars movie stars & that brings us back to the simple fact that none of the OBC of Wicked are considered MOVIE stars. I didn't say it was fair or that it is even right, but is a simple fact that can't be denied.

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maggam
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posted 01-02-2007 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maggam   Click Here to Email maggam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally don't care if they cast movie people or theatre people if and when they cast for the movie. I do not believe that casting choices were the reasons that certain movie musicals were not successes.

But obviously, there are some people here who think they know so much more than everybody else. In a forum where we are suppose to come and voice our opinions, thoughts, hopes, and imaginations, there are people here who feel it is her or his duty to "tell it to you like it is" because they know so much more about it than you do.

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OvertheMoonforIM
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posted 01-02-2007 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OvertheMoonforIM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dude, chill out. She's voicing her opinion; It's just a debate. It's not like she called you stupid, she's just countering your points with points of her own.

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Yero the Hero
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posted 01-02-2007 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yero the Hero   Click Here to Email Yero the Hero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Besides, she's right.

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I Couldn't Be Happier
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posted 01-02-2007 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I Couldn't Be Happier     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't believe we keep having the same debate. Can we table this posting until we actually hear real news about the movie? C'mon it's 30 pages long and we have no real insight.

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maggam
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posted 01-03-2007 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maggam   Click Here to Email maggam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I Couldn't Be Happier:
I can't believe we keep having the same debate. Can we table this posting until we actually hear real news about the movie? C'mon it's 30 pages long and we have no real insight.

Amen to that...that was my whole point.

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joelarry
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posted 01-04-2007 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joelarry   Click Here to Email joelarry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hopefully they wont produce this as a musical, it would tend to make it cheesy.

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posted 01-05-2007 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LPhiBah   Click Here to Email LPhiBah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. I for one am impressed you all found enough to debate about on a non existant movie for 30 pages.

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maggam
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posted 01-05-2007 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maggam   Click Here to Email maggam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LPhiBah:
Wow. I for one am impressed you all found enough to debate about on a non existant movie for 30 pages.

It's all wishful thinking dear. Wishful thinking and those that want to prove to the world that they know more about this non-existent film.

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Prince Fiyero
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posted 01-05-2007 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Prince Fiyero   Click Here to Email Prince Fiyero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read today in the news paper that Jhon Travolta said in an interview that one of his favourite musicals was WICKED. I really didn`t know there to post this.

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defygravityLFB
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posted 01-07-2007 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for defygravityLFB   Click Here to Email defygravityLFB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THE ORIGINAL CAST NEED TO DO IT< IDINDA AND KRISTIN WOULD BE AMAZING

i herd the movie would be "son of a witch"

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quote:
Originally posted by defygravityLFB:
THE ORIGINAL CAST NEED TO DO IT< IDINDA AND KRISTIN WOULD BE AMAZING

i herd the movie would be "son of a witch"


Actually you would have "heard". Also, where ever you heard this from, they were wrong.

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posted 01-08-2007 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for defygravityLFB   Click Here to Email defygravityLFB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
actually, no. idina was on a talk show last year, and no, i dont remember which....but she said it was being considered (son of a witch)

and this is a forum...you need not correct my grammar....not to be mean

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hehe, then you obviously were not here when ElphabaofOz was here, Im assuming that she isn't here anymore, considering I haven't seen any posts from her...Anyway she was the correcting queen!

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Yero the Hero
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quote:
Originally posted by MusicalTheatreObsessed:
Actually you would have "heard". Also, where ever you heard this from, they were wrong.


SECONDED.

Learn to spell, newbie.

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*chanGed-for-tHe-betTer*
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I agree, we all got the rules when we started and we all got corrected if we incorrectly spelled a word. Just pick up a dictionary if needed.

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Originally posted by defygravityLFB:
actually, no. idina was on a talk show last year, and no, i dont remember which....but she said it was being considered (son of a witch)

and this is a forum...you need not correct my grammar....not to be mean


You must have misheard. I guess I can't say for sure, but think of all the movies you know of. How many of them are sequals, but came first. Nothing in a SoaW movie would make sense without Wicked. The title of the movie would have to be changed.

Second of all, you said it yourself, this is a forum. It is the place to go to be corrected on grammar. It's what we do. If I made an obvious and blatant mistake that was at the bottum of a post in which everything was against the rules, I would expect you to correct me.

Last but not least; "actually, no." is not a sentence, idina should be capitalized, and three dots are a maximum.

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Lord Chuffery
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Has no one considered Alanis Morisette for Elphaba yet? I mean come on, she was made for it. Belting voice, very odd features, eerily beautiful. PERFECT!
Though, if neither she nor Idina Menzel would be able, then I would dye Nicole Kidmans hair and get her on that broom as fast as I could. Shes proven she has a good voice...Moulin Rouge. You cant just go by what the ppl look like.
And the rest of the cast like so:
Glinda-Kristen chenoweth, Reese Witherspoon
Wizard-Terrence Stamp, Eugene Levy
Fieyro-Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
Madame Morrible-Catherine O'hara, Brenda Blethyn
Nessarose-Kate Winslet, Winona Ryder, Mandy Moore
Boq-Elijah Wood, Simon Woods

I think thats about it. Loads more people that look right for the parts, but might not necersarrily be any good on camera. At least with this cast you know your getting actors, not just pretty faces.

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operagirl
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posted 01-11-2007 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for operagirl   Click Here to Email operagirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ELPHABA: Celine Dion
GLINDA: Reese Witherspoon, Renee Zellweger
NESSA: Natalie Portman
FIYERO: Hugh Jackman
BOQ: Adam Brody (OC)
MORRIBLE: Maggie Smith
WIZARD: Joel Grey, Dustin Hoffman?
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That sounds like a great cast!

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operagirl
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posted 01-11-2007 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for operagirl   Click Here to Email operagirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about a movie based on the book? I think also that a black actor should play Fiyero (Taye Diggs anyone??) because in the book he is black and I think that diversity in movies never hurts. Plus, Taye is pretty famous and already played Fiyero in the show once
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I saw ------of Taye playing Fieryo. WOW, the electricity between him and Idina was incredible. I like the idea of an African American playing Fieryo.

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Hello, everyone. I want to say something before this topic become larger!!!

When I read wicked I was very fascinated with this character(Elphaba) that I could not wait for the movie either, especially the images with fiyero and his blue diamonds. But I didn't find any info abou it, well except this 30 pages long topic, of course!! But recently I bought the grimmerie and I read it as soon as it arrived.

So, in the book they posted all the comments from maguire and the producers. And according to them, it said that when maguire wrote the book in 1995, it got the attention of Demi Moore and Whoopie Golbert and Moore bought the rights to make the movie.

Then, later in 1997 they were doing the scripts for the movie, but it did not work as they wanted it because it didn't show all the magic about.

So later when the guy who wrote the lyrics for the musical wanted the rights for a movie too, they realized that it was a very good book for a movie, so they decided to the the musical instead.

Therefore, they started back in 1998. The only one in mind to write the musical was Kirsten(original glinda/galinda). So its character was pretty much based on her personality. They would write the dialogs and she woul read them. So it took them quite a long time. And as soon as they were ready to prove it with public they looked for an Elphaba and they realized back then that Kirsten only had a few lines, and since she was so good and comic in it, they changed the story and it became about the 2 witches instead of only Elphie.

They rehersed for a long time, until it was what it is today.

So to make all this short, I guess we will just have to wait for a movie to come out. They did have the idea back in 1996, but since all the magic of the caracters was so great they decided to put it in a musical instead in order for people to enjoy and feel the road that elphie had to walk to become the wicked witch of the west.

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Originally posted by operagirl:
ELPHABA: Celine Dion
GLINDA: Reese Witherspoon, Renee Zellweger
NESSA: Natalie Portman
FIYERO: Hugh Jackman
BOQ: Adam Brody (OC)
MORRIBLE: Maggie Smith
WIZARD: Joel Grey, Dustin Hoffman?

Celine Dion, she would kill it! Elphie has a rock voice plus Celion is much to old! Glinda actually needs to be able to hit the extremely high notes neither Reese or Renee can....and Adam Brody...may god help us if he is in any way involved in this project!

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quote:
Originally posted by Unlimited:
Does anyone have any info on the film version?

PLEASE tell me they're not considering Renee Zelwiger - lol.

Assuming Idina & Kristen are not eligible (Hollywood often requires bigger names)... who's your 'dream cast'? Mine:

ELPHABA - Charlize Theron, Minnie Driver
GLINDA - Megan Mullaly (Karen 'Will & Grace')
WIZARD - Joel Grey, Anthony Hopkins
MORRIBLE - Bette Midler
FIYERO - Hugh Jackman, Rob Thomas
NESSA - Natalie Portman
BOQ - Leonardo DiCapprio


I love the idea of Bette Midler as Morrible! Megan does not have a high singing voice, actually her voice on Will & Grace is a voice she only did for that role, her real voice is much deeper.....Alot of these people will be much to old. I keep seeing Natalie Portman on everyone's list, I agree that she would be good.

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Prince Fiyero
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quote:
Originally posted by Almost_Green:
Hello, everyone. I want to say something before this topic become larger!!!

When I read wicked I was very fascinated with this character(Elphaba) that I could not wait for the movie either, especially the images with fiyero and his blue diamonds. But I didn't find any info abou it, well except this 30 pages long topic, of course!! But recently I bought the grimmerie and I read it as soon as it arrived.

So, in the book they posted all the comments from maguire and the producers. And according to them, it said that when maguire wrote the book in 1995, it got the attention of Demi Moore and Whoopie Golbert and Moore bought the rights to make the movie.

Then, later in 1997 they were doing the scripts for the movie, but it did not work as they wanted it because it didn't show all the magic about.

So later when the guy who wrote the lyrics for the musical wanted the rights for a movie too, they realized that it was a very good book for a movie, so they decided to the the musical instead.

Therefore, they started back in 1998. The only one in mind to write the musical was Kirsten(original glinda/galinda). So its character was pretty much based on her personality. They would write the dialogs and she woul read them. So it took them quite a long time. And as soon as they were ready to prove it with public they looked for an Elphaba and they realized back then that Kirsten only had a few lines, and since she was so good and comic in it, they changed the story and it became about the 2 witches instead of only Elphie.

They rehersed for a long time, until it was what it is today.

So to make all this short, I guess we will just have to wait for a movie to come out. They did have the idea back in 1996, but since all the magic of the caracters was so great they decided to put it in a musical instead in order for people to enjoy and feel the road that elphie had to walk to become the wicked witch of the west.


Not to be rude or anything, but most of us own the Grimmerie and allready know this. It has been said and discussed before.

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posted 01-14-2007 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ivan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, a couple of problems I would like to state my opinion on:

Idina and Chenoweth: Both wonderful singers, I love Chenoweths G(a)linda and whenever I hear her voice now, it just seems out of place not being as that character. However, even while she was in the OBC she looked too old for the part when up close. A makeup artist can do a lot, but they aren't miracle workers. At most I think you could take 10 years off of Chenoweth, but not too much more. Idina could still pull it off I believe, but she's getting older as well.

The length for a transition: Though many debate that RENT wasn't made into a movie until ten years after it's debut on Broadway, it was in the works before the actual movie of Chicago was, so to speak. Rob Marshall was being considered by Miramax to direct the screen-version of RENT, but at his interview, he kept talking about Chicago and how it should take place in her mind, disregarding RENT completely. The producers love the idea so much, RENT was put on the back-burner, meaning that we could have had RENT in theatres about 4 years sooner (which would have been nice as the OBC wouldn't have been so old). Wicked could be made as soon as 2-3 years from now for all we know, mistake? Maybe, but that's not my decision.

Flop?: Many debate that Producers and RENT was a flop, so why wouldn't Wicked be one too? We could just as well ask, why not Chicago too? Or Dreamgirls? Why were these not flops? The OBC was not in it, there's a plus, and the time waited before making it, could be considered a plus, but the fact of the matter is, Wicked has a much bigger fanbase than Producers and RENT. I didn't know what either of them were even about until I got them on DVD. The thing with Wicked is that it's so relevant. So many people are questioning our government and unfortunately, so many turn away. Wicked represents this, and makes people questions, "What can government hide from us?" It's a show that makes us think afterwards, plus it's songs are so powerful and catchy. It's not a showtuney show, it's not a rock show, it's not even a pop show (though it has a lot of pop influence). It is really a powerful show, and everyone know the main story of Oz. Wicked would be a hit in theatres with the right advertising, the right cast, and the right fanbase (which it clearly has). The other thing is, Wicked isn't controversial. It is appropriate for all age levels and genders, very open to all races, and the audience is so mixed. Boys, girls, men, women, seniors, everyone can go to Wicked without being offended or upset.

All I can think of for now, let me know what you think. PS: Did you know Meryl Streep is going to be in Mamma Mia for the silver screen? I've never seen it, but I'm psyched!

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I agree with you about it having a large fan base. It just has the elements of a great show for all ages of people. My mom loves it, I love it, and well my brother who's 5 is always singing the songs even though he has never seen it. I'm sure that practically everyone can relate to something in Wicked, whereas that might have not been the case with Rent or The Producers. I think Wicked would be a success as a movie because I'm sure most if not all the people who have seen the play would see it, and those who have not seen it but want to would as well. (wow that's a complicated sentence) It is a very powerful show. I don't remember anything that has had such an impact on my life as Wicked. The songs are wonderful and I'm sure many people will enjoy them as much as I do.

As for how long they will take to make it... it's very hard to say. It has been very successful on Broadway. Each show has been sold out since opening night which is amazing. I don't know if they'd make a movie so soon because of it's success.

I still wonder about why they would have been doing a photoshoot or filming on the beach at 5:30 in the morning. I don't think it was just to promote the event because they never really had any pictures for it. I wonder if they are doing anything secretive... but I'm sure word might have gotten out already if it did have something to do with a movie. Any ideas?

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I'm not sure if anyone has said this, but, the one reason that I'd love to see it as a musical is because it would be more affordable and accessable to see. If it flopped, well, it would go to a DVD, and then I could watch it whenever I wanted!

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I'm not sure if anyone has said this, but, the one reason that I'd love to see it as a musical is because it would be more affordable and accessable to see. If it flopped, well, it would go to a DVD, and then I could watch it whenever I wanted!

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but then the profits for the theater production would drop considerably BECAUSE it's more affordable to just go buy a dvd, rather than paying approx. $50 plus to see it live on stage, but you have to because you can't see it any other way-currently

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This is completely random... but I finally get to see the show! I mean, I've seen the bootleg version, OBC, but there's nothing like seeing it live. (Please, no one freak out at me for seeing the bootleg version, it wasn't mine anyway.)

So who is playing the parts in the traveling company now? I'm dying to know.

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Originally posted by defy:
but then the profits for the theater production would drop considerably BECAUSE it's more affordable to just go buy a dvd, rather than paying approx. $50 plus to see it live on stage, but you have to because you can't see it any other way-currently

so what, I would get to see it in DVD whenever i wanted, and still i would go see it in theaters again. l

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Originally posted by Prince Fiyero:
so what, I would get to see it in DVD whenever i wanted, and still i would go see it in theaters again. l


You are one of the few. For the other 20 million people who wouldn't see the show too, they would bring down theatre profit.

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Talented famous people need to be in the roles. I love Norbert and Idina, but it won't happen.
Let Mamma Mia get made, then let's consult our crystal balls for when Wicked comes to the big screen. For those you who who think ticket sales will drop, some might, but Mamma Mia is still touring and still big on Broadway, so is Chicago. The are even talking about getting Dream Girls back to Broadway, since the movie was such a smash. Bottom line, you never know.

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Speaking of which: Dream Girls is the best movie I've ever seen in my life. Everything about it was completely perfect, and they didn't stray very much at all from the original plot.

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forget all of those other people, Idina Menzel should play Elpahba if there is going to be a movie...i mean who else would be better other than the original elpahba.

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Originally posted by Unlimited:
Does anyone have any info on the film version?

PLEASE tell me they're not considering Renee Zelwiger - lol.

Assuming Idina & Kristen are not eligible (Hollywood often requires bigger names)... who's your 'dream cast'? Mine:

ELPHABA - Charlize Theron, Minnie Driver
GLINDA - Megan Mullaly (Karen 'Will & Grace')
WIZARD - Joel Grey, Anthony Hopkins
MORRIBLE - Bette Midler
FIYERO - Hugh Jackman, Rob Thomas
NESSA - Natalie Portman
BOQ - Leonardo DiCapprio


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How about this.... Idina can play Elphie's grandmother. In the new version of Wicked where she has one. Because she is not going to be able to play Elphaba.

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Edited because I was rude, ignore this message, how can I delete this?

[This message has been edited by defygravityLFB (edited 01-23-2007).]

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quote:
Originally posted by Yero the Hero:
SECONDED.

Learn to spell, newbie.


I am not a newbie anymore! My grammar is fine, I learned, so that's that. Anyway, thank you to whoever it was who corrected me on the "Son of a Witch" theory, I confused even myself. Thank you also to that same person who was very nice about it when you corrected my old, terrible grammar! Yaaay, I'm a member, not a junior!! ALL MY DREAMS!!! Haha

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