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ElphabaOfOz
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posted 06-24-2006 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElphabaOfOz   Click Here to Email ElphabaOfOz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lookin In A Different Way:

Burn...

Need some alcohol for that, Twyz?

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Twyzzlyr
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Well that explains my ears.

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ElphabaOfOz
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Originally posted by Twyzzlyr:
Well that explains my ears.

Elf whore!!!

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Twyzzlyr
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posted 06-25-2006 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twyzzlyr   Click Here to Email Twyzzlyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blast! My secret is out!

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MusicalTheatreObsessed
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posted 06-25-2006 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MusicalTheatreObsessed   Click Here to Email MusicalTheatreObsessed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Galinda Upland:
"Jessica Simpson? You must not have much respect for the role of Glinda. There is no way she could pull that off vocally."

Excuse me, but did you happen to see that my username is Galinda Upland. You obviously don't know me becuase I cherish the role of Galinda/Glinda. She is THE best character aside from Elphaba. And, as I've said before, I AM Glinda, minus the blonde hair. I played her in a small local theater group when we did a version of Wicked. And Jessica Simpson could totally pull off playing her as well. She has the looks, personality, and talent. Belive me, she is ten times better than the Glinda I saw on tour.


I feel as though your community theatre group could not have done Wicked... First of all the rights go for like fifty grand, and second the stage itself was like 14 million... So if you did somehow do it, you would have been stealing (this is illegal), also your theatre group could not have done Wicked justice being that the Orchestra's music is written for extremely talented professionals and some of the music in the show is insanely difficult vocally... Or maybeI'm just slow... Can't ruleout the possibility that I'm slow!

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Nessarose Throppe
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posted 06-26-2006 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nessarose Throppe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MusicalTheatreObsessed:
I feel as though your community theatre group could not have done Wicked... First of all the rights go for like fifty grand, and second the stage itself was like 14 million... So if you did somehow do it, you would have been stealing (this is illegal), also your theatre group could not have done Wicked justice being that the Orchestra's music is written for extremely talented professionals and some of the music in the show is insanely difficult vocally... Or maybeI'm just slow... Can't ruleout the possibility that I'm slow!


I'm curious how it was done too. Getting the rights to that show and then being able to do it justice is hard to imagine. I just saw a community theatre version (a youth version) of Beauty and the Beast, and I was asking about how much it cost.... and that's an older show that's not nearly so popular right now.

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Green Girl
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posted 06-26-2006 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MusicalTheatreObsessed:
I feel as though your community theatre group could not have done Wicked... First of all the rights go for like fifty grand, and second the stage itself was like 14 million... So if you did somehow do it, you would have been stealing (this is illegal), also your theatre group could not have done Wicked justice being that the Orchestra's music is written for extremely talented professionals and some of the music in the show is insanely difficult vocally... Or maybeI'm just slow... Can't ruleout the possibility that I'm slow!

Wow, you are seriously uptight, dude unclench!!

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Galinda Upland
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posted 06-26-2006 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Galinda Upland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, I said we did a "version" of Wicked. I never said we did the whole show. We cut pieces from it & performed mostly musical numbers only. It was more like a recital sort of thing with some acting in between. We didn't exactly have the rights, but my director called around & found out that we were allowed to do the show as long as it wasn't the complete, word-for-word script. And of course we wouldn't have the Wicked set. We made our own set that looked pretty decent for not being the real thing. And it only cost us about $20,000 which we raised most of the money through fundraisers & the rest we used from our "theater account". Obviously, it wasn't like the real show at all, but we still pulled it off & our audiences loved it. It only ran for 2 weeks, but it went great. I'm sorry for the confusion.

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Galinda Upland
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I forgot something.

We also found an easier version of the Wicked orchestra music so we were able to collaborate with selected college band students who worked with us on making all the background music. As for the songs, they were a little tough to learn for the ensemble with all the harmonies & key changes, but for the main characters, it was really easy.

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posted 06-26-2006 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MusicalTheatreObsessed   Click Here to Email MusicalTheatreObsessed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Green Girl:
Wow, you are seriously uptight, dude unclench!!


I fell out of my chair I laughed so hard when I read that. However, in my defense, I've seen so many people on here lately that are under the impression that anyone can just do Wicked, and even just cuttings from the show are illegal. You can only do Broadway Showstopper arrangments of For Good, Defying Gravity, What is this feeling, wonderful, and popular. No other companies arrange is and any other use for performance, when the audience pays is illegal. I wasn't trying to be mean, Iwas just curious how they were able to do a show like that. For what she said she did, she would have had to change every character name, the title of the show, and at least 50% of the lines

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Nessarose Throppe
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posted 06-27-2006 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nessarose Throppe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think one rule also is that for a musical revue you can do up to three songs from one show. That's what we did, and it was all legal.

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Galinda Upland
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posted 06-27-2006 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Galinda Upland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think our show was illegal. In my choir class, we did a medley of Wicked songs including "No One Mourns The Wicked", "The Wizard & I", "Popular", "One Short Day", "For Good", & "Defying Gravity/Finale." That was 100% legal because my teacher had bought the Wicked medley sheet music for the class.

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Elphaba Potter
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posted 06-27-2006 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elphaba Potter   Click Here to Email Elphaba Potter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a question to throw out there to everyone. (mostly because I'm bored on my break during my 13 hour workday!)

In lots of book/musical --> movie transitions many fan-favorite scenes are cut (I can think of at least 83 for Harry Potter )

So, if you had a say in "wicked the movie" and you were able to guarantee that one scene was in the movie and one scene was not in the movie, what would you choose?

You can answer for both a book --> movie and a musical --> movie. Make sure that you clarify which you are picking (although it wouldn't be too difficult for us to realize which one you were referring to).

*Remember to pick scenes that you don't think would be included or excluded. i.e. don't pick a scene that would definitely be in there like Dorothy melting Elphie.

I am still thinking about my choices but these are what I've come up with so far:

musical --> movie
scene I must have:
I would love to have the scene in the musical where Glinda comes to Elphie right before she gets melted and tells her to let Dorothy and her poor dog "dodo" go. And reminds Elphie they're just shoes. I would love to see this scene in there somehow played out exactly as Chenoweth does it.

scene I don't care for:
I wouldn't want minutes of the film being wasted on Ozdust dancing. It's long, tedious, and uninteresting.

(edited because I forgot 1 "s" and I'm anal-retentive about that kind of thing.)

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~*~elphaba~*~
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posted 06-27-2006 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ~*~elphaba~*~   Click Here to Email ~*~elphaba~*~     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as for the musical-->movie i would definately cut some of the dancing through life/Ozdust dancing.

and i'm not sure what my must have scene would be yet. i'll have to think more about it.

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MusicalTheatreObsessed
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posted 06-27-2006 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MusicalTheatreObsessed   Click Here to Email MusicalTheatreObsessed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Musical to movie...

must be included: No One Mourns the Wicked... Some of the music in the show is more pop style than broadway.Personally I think NOMTW makes the show!

must be discluded: Those weird giant humpty-dumpty creatures that dance about in One Short Day

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I Couldn't Be Happier
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posted 06-27-2006 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I Couldn't Be Happier     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Musical:

I would cut The Wizard songs, but leave the dialogue.
I would keep the monkeys at the beginning. I think it motions to the audience that the monkeys were sad at her death.

BTW: Dancing thru Life must be there. It shows the beginning of Elphaba and Galind's friendship.

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Elphaba Potter
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posted 06-28-2006 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elphaba Potter   Click Here to Email Elphaba Potter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I Couldn't Be Happier:
Musical:

I would cut The Wizard songs, but leave the dialogue.
I would keep the monkeys at the beginning. I think it motions to the audience that the monkeys were sad at her death.

BTW: Dancing thru Life must be there. It shows the beginning of Elphaba and Galind's friendship.



I agree about dancing through life, just not the actual dancing.

Except for Idina's great Elphaba dance.
Oh the hours I spent in front of the mirror perfecting that.

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Nessarose Throppe
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posted 06-28-2006 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nessarose Throppe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do love dancing though.... I think it'd be cool to have some of it.

My must have scene? The confrontation between Elphaba and Glinda when Nessa dies. I love the random catfight!

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Elphaba Potter
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posted 06-28-2006 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elphaba Potter   Click Here to Email Elphaba Potter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MusicalTheatreObsessed:
Musical to movie...

must be included: No One Mourns the Wicked... Some of the music in the show is more pop style than broadway.Personally I think NOMTW makes the show!

must be discluded: Those weird giant humpty-dumpty creatures that dance about in One Short Day



Speaking about a musical --> movie:
You know, I've actually thought a lot about this song in regards to the movie. And I completely agree with you.

For many movies there is a song that is considered the title song (you know, the one they play in the trailers ALL the time and starts to get annoying?). I personally LOVE defying gravity and I think that it represents the story's message quite well, which is generally what a title song does.

However, I think that NOMTW would actually be a better title song for the movie. First off, it opens the musical and puts the audience in the right mood to receive the story. I also think that it has a great baseline that can be used as background music throughout the movie. (an example: Lord of the Rings uses the main Fellowship theme in different variations as background for the entire movie, changing it to fit the current audience mood and to fit the director's desire for subconscious emotional cues. Shore (the composer) did this for all three of the films, utilizing the main theme of each movie - and he received well deserved oscars for those scores. John Williams is also VERY good at doing this).

I'm all of a sudden curious. I wonder if the producers and director would ask Schwartz to do the score for the movie? I think that would be smart. He does have experience in film scoring (two academy awards for Pocahontas - one of my favs). I would love to see him possibly collaborate with Danny Elfman or someone similar and co-score it. Just as long as they were EXTREMELY faithful to the original score.

On another note, I noticed that the director Tim Burton has already been discussed on this board and I'm just going to add my two cents on him. I’ll start by saying that while I appreciate his work, I do not like most of it. (I somehow really enjoyed Charlie and the Chocolate Factory though - perhaps it's due to the fact that I'm a chocoholic). What I do like about him is his ability to work with dark subject matter and make it somehow uplifting while keeping it twisted. If a book --> movie transition is in store for us, I would champion Burton as my director for the film. I’m still stewing over several potential directors for a musical transition (including Burton).

Wow, this is really long. Sorry. Sometimes, “once you pop, you just can’t stop.”


Oh, Humpty-Dumptys = first thing to go.

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Fiyero78
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Originally posted by Green Girl:
Has the musical taught you nothing? Colour does not matter my friend!

I have not seen the musical, sadly.

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Green Girl
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posted 06-28-2006 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fiyero78:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Green Girl:
[b] Has the musical taught you nothing? Colour does not matter my friend!


I have not seen the musical, sadly. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well.. the same message is in the books. The stage show just sings about it instead!

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Nessarose Throppe
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posted 06-28-2006 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nessarose Throppe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm torn.... I hate the weird things that dance in Wizomania, but it does show that Ozians have a different form of entertainment than we do....

Still.... they're creepy little boogers.

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Nessarose Throppe
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I bet the movie could do some powerful stuff with March of the Witch Hunters if they do it right. Think of what camera angles and scenery could do for that. I just thought of that....

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Originally posted by Elphaba/Fiyero:
I think that it would be insane to have very well known actors and actresses to be apart of a film version of Wicked. For example, the film version of Rent is coming out and most of the original cast from the Broadway production is in the film, so why can't some of the orginal cast of Wicked be apart of this possible film? The Phantom of the Opera didn't have well-known actors, but everyone loved it anyway! It makes it more original! But I really doubt that they'll ever make a movie from, "Wicked." At least not until we're all dead! Musical movies are just now re-awakening in the public's eye, so for now, lets just appreciate the stage show, which is awesome as it is!

I couldnt agree more! I think having the original cast would be AMAZING!

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Originally posted by MusicalTheatreObsessed:

I fell out of my chair I laughed so hard when I read that. However, in my defense, I've seen so many people on here lately that are under the impression that anyone can just do Wicked, and even just cuttings from the show are illegal. You can only do Broadway Showstopper arrangments of For Good, Defying Gravity, What is this feeling, wonderful, and popular. No other companies arrange is and any other use for performance, when the audience pays is illegal. I wasn't trying to be mean, Iwas just curious how they were able to do a show like that. For what she said she did, she would have had to change every character name, the title of the show, and at least 50% of the lines

god get a life like it matters maybe it was just for fun who cares its great music with great singers and if they want to try it let them it is really none of your buisness anyways so just lay of!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Nessarose Throppe:
I'm torn.... I hate the weird things that dance in Wizomania, but it does show that Ozians have a different form of entertainment than we do....

Still.... they're creepy little boogers.



i really hate the egg things that are dancing around they are like soo creepy

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Originally posted by ~*~elphaba~*~:
as for the musical-->movie i would definately cut some of the dancing through life/Ozdust dancing.

and i'm not sure what my must have scene would be yet. i'll have to think more about it.



i deffinally would not do that because that is when we starte to learn alot about fyero and it is really funny watching elphaba try to dance
....she is soooo terible

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I like most of the actresses everyone posted on this bulletin; but I don't think any of them are right for the cast of 'Wicked'. You might disagree, but paint Anne Hathaway (Devil Wears Prada) green, and she is EXACTLY how I pictured Elphaba as I read the book. long dark black hair, very thin, and she even has a pointed nose.

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Originally posted by ~~Broom`rider~~:

i deffinally would not do that because that is when we starte to learn alot about fyero and it is really funny watching elphaba try to dance
....she is soooo terible

I think that she meant just the dancing. Not the song or any significant parts of the plot/action.

It is of course a very important scene because it is the turning point in Glinda and Elphie's relationship.

Just thought I'd try and clarify

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~*~elphaba~*~
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Originally posted by Elphaba Potter:
I think that she meant just the dancing. Not the song or any significant parts of the plot/action.

It is of course a very important scene because it is the turning point in Glinda and Elphie's relationship.

Just thought I'd try and clarify



that is exactly what i meant. i would never suggest cutting any of the dialogue/singing, but i didn't find ALL of the dancing necessary.that's all i meant.

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Well, I love dancing, I love watching it, or pathetically attempting to do it myself. But to hold a movie goer's attention, you either have to cut it or do something interesting with it. Again, cool camera angles can help too. I loved how they did "Masquerade" in Phantom....

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Originally posted by Nessarose Throppe:
Well, I love dancing, I love watching it, or pathetically attempting to do it myself. But to hold a movie goer's attention, you either have to cut it or do something interesting with it. Again, cool camera angles can help too. I loved how they did "Masquerade" in Phantom....

OOh. "masquerade" in Phantom was lots of fun. They did definitely play with some fun camera angles in that one. Great lighting in that one too. That scene really added to the tension by building such a false sense of security in the dancers (and audience) so when the Phantom makes his entrance it's just that much more dramatic.

I guess the dancing just needs to have a point and needs to be edited correctly (as in short and sweet).

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The more I read of the book the more I hope that IF they do make a movie it won't be a musical. They'll only shred the matirial anyway. I would like them to use the score of the musical if possible thou, I think that would be a great way of linking the play to the book on film. What do you guys think?

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Originally posted by Green Girl:
The more I read of the book the more I hope that IF they do make a movie it won't be a musical. They'll only shred the matirial anyway. I would like them to use the score of the musical if possible thou, I think that would be a great way of linking the play to the book on film. What do you guys think?


First, "matirial" = material

Second, I agree with you. I really think that the movie would be lacking if the music were not included.

I would like to see a movie that combines both the musical and the book. I think there are great parts in the musical that would make the movie more accessible to an audience. But I also think that the movie would be so much better if it included more of the complexities in the book. This way it wouldn't just be a carbon copy of the musical.

Someone said this to me the other day and I almost lashed out in response. They suggested that this movie be done as a CG movie like Shrek. That way they could still use the voices of the original cast.

I am horrified at the thought of this.

Any thoughts?

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NO NO NO! they can't make it CG it would be horrible, it would make it much to childish fairy tale and would loose all good material that the book gives us. I am 100% against a CG version !

Good idea about the book/musical combo! that would be so cool!

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Jesus christ, CGI? *gags* *chokes* *dies* *reincarnates and rapidly ages like sailor saturn*

I'm back. CGI is a horrible idea, the worst I've heard since the beginning fo this topic. Why don't they just take out all of the darkness of the book, and all of the songs from the musical and make it a kiddy movie?

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Originally posted by Yero the Hero:
Jesus christ, CGI? *gags* *chokes* *dies* *reincarnates and rapidly ages like sailor saturn*

I'm back. CGI is a horrible idea, the worst I've heard since the beginning fo this topic. Why don't they just take out all of the darkness of the book, and all of the songs from the musical and make it a kiddy movie?


Haha. I would say that I had a similar reaction. Believe me I have chastised my friend accordingly. She doesn't even like Wicked. I mean, she doesn't dislike it but she's indifferent to it.

Come to think of it...why are we friends?

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I completely agree, CGI sux! It actually hurts me to watch it.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elphaba Potter:
[B]
First, "matirial" = material

Hide your first borns, the spelling Nazi strikes again! Hahaha!

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¬.¬ I'm kinda 'against' a musical version movie. I'd rather see it follow the book closer then the play does.

We have the B'way play for a musical, a book for reading, so there needs to be a movie that pulls out the darker side of Wicked (Not the Upbeat, and fantastic, music.)

*Tosses two cents in the jar*

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