posted 07-03-2008 04:52 AM            

For example, Wizard was released prior to the war, and after economic depressions, the film was a feel good film to lighten the hearts and minds of the population, however it didnt tackle any of the issues regarding segregation or race relations affecting the Jews, Blacks, or other immigrants or poor and dispossessed. Or did it, the seperation of Oz into groups that didnt mix, and the difference between the lion and other animals such as the toto are clear.

Wicked picks this up with the Animals and animals, the segreation being put into place by the Wizard, and the loss of faith with the abduction of or dissapearance of Ozma.

It seem's as if Wizard is portraying a time it wants the US to be, while Wicked is portraying america of the past.

Any thoughts, nice ones only please dont get all agressive please. all views are valid and will help enormously.

posted 07-03-2008 09:02 AM               

While I do have thoughts on your subject of choice I am making the decision not to share them.

posted 07-03-2008 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by lostladyknight:
Moreover you've already given yourself a very bad start in these parts by creating a useless thread in the General Discussion forum simply to promote this one.

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Not to mention SoaW AND the musical forum.

Ahem. Anyway, While I do think that this topic has merit, I unfortunately do not have anything to share. In our general rules regarding homework type questions, you've give yourself credit by supplying some of your own ideas prior to asking others to share their opinions.

I hope someone has some feedback eventually.

posted 07-03-2008 09:19 AM               

I too find the topic interesting, but quite frankly you only joined our boards for help with a paper. So I feel inclined not to share my opinions. But since you have ideas yourself and are not looking for only answers, I will be back on later tonight, so then I will join the discussion.

posted 07-03-2008 09:42 AM               

I think I still decline from answering your questions. I am in a pretty heated debate in SoAW and that may bring me over here to discuss it with you. Maybe.

Meanwhile I do have a request. Should you find any material, what so ever, on these boards that you decide you want to use as a quotatin in your paper (yes, I called it a paper) please label both these forums and the user (screen name) in the source.

Also I suggest that should you decide to quote any specific member on any material on these forums that you search their user name in a search. I suggest this so that you may be able to do a little research and find that member's age. We've had everywhere from age 9 to 50's on here, that we know of. Not that any opinion is less significant due to age, but I'm sure it will be interesting to note age ranges.

I am not telling you how to do your work. Simply trying to make things easier for you.

And 10,000 words? Is that all they require in graduate school papers? I tend to write two or three times that in a given chapter in fanfiction. I'm not nearly as frightened of those big college papers anymore.

-LLK

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posted 07-04-2008 02:42 AM            

To clarify, for those of you who seem not to 'get it'

All work quoted by others is credited, sourced and referenced in a dissertation, it has to be.

Secondly it's not about the author of the dissertations own opinions, the nature of a dissertation is research of others work, from academic sources or views, and must be referenced.

Thirdly, it’s not after 'answers for a paper' it's not after 'help with an assignment' it’s a view of how others interpret the work. - Like a questionnaire, for example how many people thought Elpha was really a witch, how many feel Dorothy is portrayed badly? etc etc.

While a person’s views may point to another area of research, for example someone may say that the book is a stab at the new religions of the US in the 90's, I would then if I thought it was worth further investigation, have to go and research the 90's views on religion in the US. No one was expected to do any work other than I.

But it seems that those who have replied so far don’t seem to get it, and are falling back on the old tried and tested method of trying to score points off of something they don’t know about.

However and most disturbingly, while GM has been very helpful in offering to answer the questions I have, those who follow his work have been rather petty in their response(moderators I must add).

With that in mind I've decided that I won’t bother to seek your views. Although I will point out in my dissertation your reactions as this experience and response is very interesting and sheds a great deal of light on the attitudes of fan bases.

On a final note, I would imagine that those who attend university (Boston, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge etc) would object greatly to it being referred to as 'school'. 'School' you have to attend and is free, Uni is a seat of higher education, learning and study that you choose to attend making an informed choice and have to pay for.

And while I am 'really impressed' (please note the sarcasm) that fan-fiction articles can be over 10 thousand words, they are not work of academic quality otherwise you would be a published author not a writer of fanbase. Although I will concede that a fan base can be very critical of fan fiction I’ve seen Comic Book Guy in The Simpsons, yet that kind of work is critical of continuity, and ‘that can’t happen because in episode 2 so and so said’, it’s not really literature is it, no one’s going to buy it!

posted 07-04-2008 09:41 AM               

1. an institution where instruction is given, esp. to persons under college age: The children are at school.
2. an institution for instruction in a particular skill or field.
3. a college or university.
4. a regular course of meetings of a teacher or teachers and students for instruction; program of instruction: summer school.
5. a session of such a course: no school today; to be kept after school.
6. the activity or process of learning under instruction

posted 07-04-2008 10:26 AM               

I wasn't questioning your intent to use sources. I was simply, as a forum mod, requiring that you did it a certain way.

End of.

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posted 07-05-2008 11:03 AM               

Its just not something I really want to see when trying to read and discuss a topic that interests me.

posted 07-06-2008 10:24 PM               

*glances at thread once more*

*headwall*

posted 07-07-2008 07:54 AM               

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Originally posted by stefebrock:
Just so you know, we will usually help a little, but we will not give you direct answers for school papers around here. So don't expect much. It's in the rules, if you go by the Getting to Know Ourselves Again thread you can read them there.

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Originally posted by Plant a Note:
Not to mention SoaW AND the musical forum.

Ahem. Anyway, While I do think that this topic has merit, I unfortunately do not have anything to share. In our general rules regarding homework type questions, you've give yourself credit by supplying some of your own ideas prior to asking others to share their opinions.

I hope someone has some feedback eventually.

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Originally posted by stefebrock:
Oh I completely forgot University is not considered a school! How dare I overlook that.

I too find the topic interesting, but quite frankly you only joined our boards for help with a paper. So I feel inclined not to share my opinions. But since you have ideas yourself and are not looking for only answers, I will be back on later tonight, so then I will join the discussion.

P.S. We have had many people get on here and want us to answer questions for their papers, so they dont have to actually do the work. So sorry if we are a bit touchy on the subject. And FYI only post topics in the Forums they are related to, or they will be deleted. You can also search the boards for any other themes etc you'd like to include in your paper. There is a search link at the top of the page.

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posted 07-07-2008 06:05 PM               

Also- We have rules. They were made aware of the rules NICELY. They because rude. There is no more nice here. Even aside from the rules there is such a thing and forum ettiquette. They disregarded that as well.