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no one mourns the wicked! Junior Member |
Just some extra info i picked up... Throughout the musical, Steven Schwartz (composer and lyricsist) decided to incorporate a common theme in the music. There are many, but one of the most noticible themes is the "..Unlimited" theme. It can be seen in "The Wizard and I", "Defying Gravity" and at the beginning of "For Good" ( "Im limited"). But why did he choose this? The answer is hidden in the notes of the sequence that he uses. Think back to The Wizard of Oz. Sing the first 7 notes of Somewhere Over the Rainbow..."Somewhere, over the rainbow"...then, sing the first 7 notes to the Unlimited theme..."Unlimited, together..." or "Unlimited, my future..." THEY ARE IDENTICAL. Tricky, huh? Wicked can't be sued because although the notes are the same, it is a completely different rythm and theme. Sweet! Just a little note, feel free to reply on any other tricks u have found in the music. IP: Logged |
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Elphaba Member |
In the orignal San Fransico production it was also repeated in "No Good Deed." "Unlimited, the damage is unlimited". IP: Logged |
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ElphabaOfOz Member |
There is a forum to discuss the musical, this is the forum for the book, which is completely different. IP: Logged |
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no one mourns the wicked! Junior Member |
ok, sweet, its all the same to me. besides, ur only a true wicked fan if u know about the musical too... IP: Logged |
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ElphabaOfOz Member |
True. IP: Logged |
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Saint Aelphaba Moderator |
I really thought it was intresting how "The Wizard and I" is such a triumphant song in itself and such a hopeful song. but the lyrics are so diffrent in the meaning. "a celabration throught OZ thats all to do with Me!" thats what Elphaba said, but thats not what she meant. True there was a celebration, but celbrating her death. Also another thing on the "unlimted" theme. I also felt that, the song "the wizard and I," and the song "defying gravity" all those songs you can tell that Elphaba is so hopeful, and feels that her future and that she herself is unlimted. But than, everything she wants and hopes for, a loving father, someone to love her, and being by the Wizard's side. everything she wants comes crashing down on her. And she really is, as "For good" says "Limted." IP: Logged |
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Elphaba Member |
Well, it's very obvious- Elphaba DOES get a glimpse of the future, people will see her and scream. There will be a celebtation through out Oz that's all to do with her. And she'd be so happy she could melt. IP: Logged |
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ThroughDifferentEyes Member |
Yes, and there are other ironic references like that throughout Schwartz's lyrics. One of my favorites is when future scarecrow Fiyero, in his love-duet with Elphaba, sings: "Maybe I'm brainless, maybe I'm wise...." IP: Logged |
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Elphaba Member |
"Lifes more painless, for the brainless"... IP: Logged |
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Try Defying Gravity Junior Member |
I noticed the Unlimited theme too. I think it's quite sad the way the first 2 times it's hopeful and then it's giving up hope. IP: Logged |
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ThroughDifferentEyes Member |
TDG, It's not giving up hope. It's recognizing the truth of her humanity, which is also a kind of liberation. The second reference is already a step in that direction, when Elphie sings, TOGETHER we're unlimited. She is already aware that no one can do it alone. IP: Logged |
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elphaba_rocks Member |
like i said before they are close but not the same tune or notes IP: Logged |
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ThroughDifferentEyes Member |
And, like before, you would be in error, e.r. IP: Logged |
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elphaba_rocks Member |
I am not wrong, everyone keeps saying they have to same notes, a few notes are the same but not all of them. "THEY ARE IDENTICAL." technically they a not identical. God people the notes are different! IP: Logged |
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g(a)linda Junior Member |
its true they are not the same. i have the sheet music right here infron of me and they are not the same. true they have a few simalar note but are not exactly alike as some one was saying god its my fist post and im already disagreeing with people. IP: Logged |
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Saint Aelphaba Moderator |
oh thats ok. your not ALWAYS supposed to agree. my first like 7 posts were all disaggreeing. :-) IP: Logged |
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elphaba_rocks Member |
thank you G(a)linda, i have been saying to everyone they are different, and nobody beleived me! IP: Logged |
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Saint Aelphaba Moderator |
they are diffrent. I've played them and listened to them time and time and again. There are similarties in the music. (which i like it ties it together.) but in now way are the same. IP: Logged |
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Dr. Dillamond Junior Member |
sorry folks...transcribed them myself...the notes ARE in fact the same...the rhythms are not. If you sing the notes for SOMEWHERE OVER...slowly...and sing the notes to UNLIMITED theme...slowly...you will find they are the same. IP: Logged |
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Elphaba Member |
But "Unlimited"/"I'm limited" is four syllables and seven. They don't seem to really fit to me at all... *confused* IP: Logged |
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Saint Aelphaba Moderator |
they dont fit. It may sound the same, but there not. Becuase the tempo is diffrent. The beats are diffrent. it may sound the same but it's not identical. IP: Logged |
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Dr. Dillamond Junior Member |
Ok, read carefully...the NOTES are the same, the RHYTHMS are not. It is a fact, and I'll give you Stephen Schwartz's email address so you can ask him...he purposely used the first 7 notes of "SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW" to create the "UNLIMITED Theme." It is his homage to Harold Arlen the composer lyricist of MGM's "OZ." Notes yes. Rhythms no...and the rhythms change a little depending on the lyrics as well when we hear it the second time (in DEFYING) and the third time (in FOR GOOD). IP: Logged |
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Dr. Dillamond Junior Member |
note lyrics 1 Un = Some 2 Li = where 3 mit = ov 4 ted = er 5 my = the 6 fu = rain 7 tur = bow now, if he had reached the 8th note...which mataches with the "SOMEWHERE" lyric "way" ("up high") he would have been sued...lol! Nice once stephen! IP: Logged |
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Elphaba Phan Member |
It’s surprising how far this thread has gone on, since it only went on for four replies on the Musical forum. Perhaps Stephen Schwartz was just confused when he wrote these songs, but given a choice, I’m going to go with Mr. Schwartz, who says that they are the same notes, and Idina Menzel, who was asked in an interview about the development of Wicked whether or not she had noticed and said that she definitely had (as the one who sings all the “unlimiteds/I’m limiteds” she should know, especially since she, like most professional singers, has also sung “Somewhere Over the Rainbow.”) From an interview with Stephen Schwartz (emphasis added):
quote: Wicked's Web of Musical Themes I play only guitar and am not at all good at transposition, so here’s a better explanation from an old post (not mine) that is musically correct: According to Mr. Schwartz, there are five homages to the Wizard of Oz movie score in the score for Wicked, four of which are intentional and one that was coincidental. Except for the “Unlimited Theme” he also says that they are part of the underscoring which generally cannot be heard on the CD except possibly for the piccolo in “One Short Day” which was mixed into the CD score. IP: Logged |
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Dr. Dillamond Junior Member |
nice Elphaba Phan! IP: Logged |
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Saint Aelphaba Moderator |
Wow you do your research. No arguing with you there. I think it's cool how in incorparated Somewhere over the rainbow with the Wizard and I, actully the whole play. REALLY ties things together. IP: Logged |
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elphaba_rocks Member |
when you put i that way Elphaba_phan i have to agree with you. IP: Logged |
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